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Reply: Le Havre:: News:: Re: In stock at CSI

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by nakedmeeple

coil23 wrote:

That is helpful to know. Thank you. I ordered from boardgamebliss and was wondering when they were going to get theirs.

I pinged Bosco after I saw GreatBoardgames got their copies in. He contacted his distributor, and this is what he was told. I don't know the exact nature of the printing issues, but I've heard some complaints about offset punchboards. I'll reserve any judgement about this new edition until I get my copy, or until I see some compelling photo or video evidence of subpar quality.

Thread: Le Havre:: General:: Le Havre 2017 - Mayfair Reprint

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by nakedmeeple

The new Mayfair/Lookout printings of Le Havre are starting to hit retail now, but I understand that Mayfair may have had some quality control problems with the English edition, as they are apparently working on fixing these with reprints before they continue sending out more copies. This is why some retailers are still waiting for copies, while others have them.

I'd be curious to know more about these issues from anyone that may have gotten ahold of a 2017 copy, and to know more about what Mayfair might be trying to fix.

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Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Le Havre 2017 - Mayfair Reprint

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by nakedmeeple

SDSUChemTA wrote:

I just opened my copy, and I found no issues.

You don't see thin card stock, or the board error?

Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Le Havre 2017 - Mayfair Reprint

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by FunkyBlue

nakedmeeple wrote:

The new 2017 Mayfair/Lookout editions of Le Havre are starting to hit retail, but I understand that Mayfair may have had some quality control problems with the English edition, and are apparently working on fixing these. Once they do, they'll continue sending out copies. This is why some retailers are still waiting for the game, while others have been selling them already.

I've heard about complaints of thin card stock, a board printing error (take 1 hide rather than 2 hides in the shortened version), and someone mentioned some offset printing on their punchboards.

I'd be curious to know more about these alleged issues from anyone that may have gotten ahold of a 2017 copy, or from Mayfair. If true, it would also be nice to know if Mayfair will be remediating these issues, because the answer to these questions would likely determine whether or not I keep my preorder.


The board misprint was in the Z-man edition and should have been corrected in the Mayfair one. Rest I can't comment on because I haven't seen a physical copy yet.

Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Le Havre 2017 - Mayfair Reprint

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by spleenmuncher

The board misprint (says 1 hide instead of 2) is there in the Mayfair version as well. I also looked at pictures of the old punch boards. The printing offset on these boards is about the same as my worst punch boards in the 2017 printing. I've seen worse printing alignment, so this doesn't bother me at all. As far as the cards, I don't understand the complaints. The cards feel identical in thickness and quality to the rest of my Mayfair games that have cards (Grand Austria Hotel, Agricola, Caverna) and better than several other games (Terraforming Mars, Concordia).

Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Le Havre 2017 - Mayfair Reprint

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by pansonic

I think the cards in my older z-man Agricola are better, honestly.
Concordia was fine, too, in my opinion.
I very rarely pay attention to component quality, but this, while not really important, caught my eye.

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Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Le Havre 2017 - Mayfair Reprint

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by saslett

No issues here either. Card stock, while thinner than average, is the same as my copy of Agricola; they're fine. No misprinted punchboards, though I had to take more care than normal on one sheet to punch out the chits to ensure no cardboard tears.

Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Le Havre 2017 - Mayfair Reprint

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by nakedmeeple

Thanks for all the replies. It would have been nice if Mayfair could have fixed the Z-Man board misprint, but it sounds to me like all the other components fall in line with (or in some cases improve on) previous printings of Le Havre.

Thread: Le Havre:: Variants:: Solo variant: The Capitalist

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by Pierrot lunaire

I developed a simple but rather challenging solo variant against an AI player representing the town. It's a 2-player short game at its core. Maybe some of you would like to try it. I'm also interested in your feedback.

[HR]
The Capitalist – solo variant for Le Havre

You play against the town.

Setup for the town
The town gets the components of a color of your choice, the start token and 30 Francs (no wooden ship or resources).

General setup
The general setup is the same as the 2-player short game.
Additionally, 2 special buildings are selected randomly and placed face up next to the board. They don’t belong to the town but you can use and/or buy them.
A 6-sided dice is needed.

Course of the game
You play a regular game of Le Havre. The town being you opponent, all start buildings and buildings that are built by the town at the end of a round are owned by your opponent and treated as such (they also score at the end of the game).
Whenever it’s the town’s turn, roll a dice to determine its action:

1Move town’s worker up 1.
2Town takes wood or fish.
3Move town’s worker down 1
4Town takes clay or Francs.
5Town takes iron, cattle or grain.
6Move town’s worker up 3.

“Move” actions (1-3-6):
When the town’s worker is placed for the first time, it goes to B1 (Building Firm) regardless whether a 1, 3 or 6 was rolled. The order of the buildings is determined by their number in the upper right corner starting with the three starter buildings (B1, B2, B3) and followed by the regular buildings (Market Place, 01, being the first). “Move town’s worker up 1” means moving it to the building with the next higher number in that order. “Move town’s worker up 3” means moving it 3 buildings upwards in that order. If that building is occupied, the town moves one additional spot in the same direction (up or down). If there isn’t any building left so that the movement cannot be made or completed, the worker moves as far as it can. The town’s worker cannot be placed on a special building.

“Take” actions (2-4-5):
The town always takes the biggest pile of the 2 or 3 resources to choose from. If it is a tie, it takes the highlighted resource (wood, clay or iron/cattle, iron being first priority, cattle second). If that resource spot is empty, the town doesn’t take anything.

Special interactions:
The town always pays in Francs but it can receive all kinds of resources. At any time, the town can change its resources into Francs (value printed on the corner of the resource chits).

If the town places its worker on one of your buildings, it will pay you in Francs.
If you place your worker on one of the town’s building, you must give the entry fee (either Francs or food) to the town – NOT to the supply!

If you sell a building, it becomes neutral (like the special buildings) and you take the money from the supply. You can buy it back on a later turn. If that building is occupied by the town, the worker leaves the building as normal.
You cannot buy a building owned by the town.
If you take a loan, the money is taken from the supply and interests are payed back to the supply.

The town does not feed its workers at the end of a round. Nor does the town buy or sell buildings, perform building actions or perform the final action.

End of the game
At the end of the game, the town changes all its resources into Francs (to their actual value). If you have more victory points than the town, you win the game.

Reply: Le Havre:: News:: Re: In stock at CSI

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by wolvehunde

nakedmeeple wrote:

dvation wrote:

Did CSI just get this first or is this going to be a CSI exclusive (temporary)?

I'm just a bit surprised I haven't seen any of the other major online retailers put this up for sale yet.

I've been told by BoardgameBliss, who haven't received their copies yet, that Mayfair has stalled the shipping process to handle some misprints. I'm not sure what the nature of these misprints are... but it sounds like they would rather reprint or repackage the bulk of their copies now than deal with shipping out too many replacement components later.


Well, If you find out any more info on any game changing misprints, please let us know. I never owned the original, so I do not have anything to compare this new version too. thanks

Oh , and heavy sleeves fixed my dislike in the thin card quality.

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Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Le Havre 2017 - Mayfair Reprint

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by Simonjohn

I hadn't noticed any issues with the cards at first, possibly because I was just so excited to be playing the new game, and also the cardboard resource chits have a really nice feel IMO. Having read the comments about cards, when I played yesterday I did then think they felt a bit thin. I measured 50 Le Havre cards and 50 Agricola cards, and found that to my surprise the Le Havre cards were very slightly thicker (15 mm versus 14 mm for a pack of 50 if I remember right). I tried 50 of the Le Havre expansion cards and although they might be thinner, they were still at least as thick as the Agricola cards. So I don't think that the cards are actually thinner, but I admit they do have a slightly lighter feel - less substantial and more pliable possibly, perhaps this is down to a lighter coating. I am no expert in card manufacture, but would say the Le Havre cards just feel very slightly less substantial. But hey - I got all of the base game cards and all of the expansion cards there have ever been in one go for under £40 so who cares - the game is amazing.

Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Le Havre 2017 - Mayfair Reprint

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by coil23

Simonjohn wrote:

I hadn't noticed any issues with the cards at first, possibly because I was just so excited to be playing the new game, and also the cardboard resource chits have a really nice feel IMO. Having read the comments about cards, when I played yesterday I did then think they felt a bit thin. I measured 50 Le Havre cards and 50 Agricola cards, and found that to my surprise the Le Havre cards were very slightly thicker (15 mm versus 14 mm for a pack of 50 if I remember right). I tried 50 of the Le Havre expansion cards and although they might be thinner, they were still at least as thick as the Agricola cards. So I don't think that the cards are actually thinner, but I admit they do have a slightly lighter feel - less substantial and more pliable possibly, perhaps this is down to a lighter coating. I am no expert in card manufacture, but would say the Le Havre cards just feel very slightly less substantial. But hey - I got all of the base game cards and all of the expansion cards there have ever been in one go for under £40 so who cares - the game is amazing.


Out of curiosity, were those Agricola cards from a Z-Man or Mayfair copy of the game?

Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Le Havre 2017 - Mayfair Reprint

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by Simonjohn

coil23 wrote:

Simonjohn wrote:

I hadn't noticed any issues with the cards at first, possibly because I was just so excited to be playing the new game, and also the cardboard resource chits have a really nice feel IMO. Having read the comments about cards, when I played yesterday I did then think they felt a bit thin. I measured 50 Le Havre cards and 50 Agricola cards, and found that to my surprise the Le Havre cards were very slightly thicker (15 mm versus 14 mm for a pack of 50 if I remember right). I tried 50 of the Le Havre expansion cards and although they might be thinner, they were still at least as thick as the Agricola cards. So I don't think that the cards are actually thinner, but I admit they do have a slightly lighter feel - less substantial and more pliable possibly, perhaps this is down to a lighter coating. I am no expert in card manufacture, but would say the Le Havre cards just feel very slightly less substantial. But hey - I got all of the base game cards and all of the expansion cards there have ever been in one go for under £40 so who cares - the game is amazing.


Out of curiosity, were those Agricola cards from a Z-Man or Mayfair copy of the game?


The Z-man edition, the one that came with animeeples but not veggiemeeples. The cards were from EIK decks, though there would have been some WM and G deck cards as well probably.

Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Le Havre 2017 - Mayfair Reprint

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by coil23

Damn! That was not the answer I was wanting (or expecting). :D Thanks though.

Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Le Havre 2017 - Mayfair Reprint

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by nakedmeeple

Simonjohn wrote:

So I don't think that the cards are actually thinner, but I admit they do have a slightly lighter feel - less substantial and more pliable possibly, perhaps this is down to a lighter coating. I am no expert in card manufacture, but would say the Le Havre cards just feel very slightly less substantial. But hey - I got all of the base game cards and all of the expansion cards there have ever been in one go for under £40 so who cares - the game is amazing.

Thanks for the report! I suppose the core material could be different, allowing the card to measure the same thickness but feel lighter or more flexible... but if they're being so closely compared to the Z-Man Agricola cards, I feel comfortable with that.
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