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by RedwardMacrawn wrote:I don't know if it has been "solved" but changing coal to coke, then shipping it (or going a step further and making it steel) is just such a money factory that it seems so much...
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by TheJRMYjamuki wrote:What does they mean with "solved"?"Solved" is a term we take from game theory. Any game that involves randomness (Le Havre, for example) is innately unsolvable. Solving a game...
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by davypiTheJRMY wrote: Any game that involves randomness (Le Havre, for example) is innately unsolvable.I have to mildly disagree with this. Nim is a game that can have a random setup. You can change...
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by turbothydavypi wrote:You can randomize all of these conditions, yet algorithms exist that solve the game for any of these given states. I think the correct claim here is that any game with open...
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by davypiMacrawn wrote:Owning the colliery also gives a good leg up because everyone needs to use that building and it costs 2 food. It makes the game feel narrow and solved.With respect, I think its...
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by golden_cow2 Le Havre is random. The restocking tokens and the special buildings are not open information. Players have to make game-affecting decisions before they know what game they're really...
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by RutgersKev In other worker placement games I've played if one person does strategy A and one person does strategy B the scores are close and it really comes down to one or two times where the loser...
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by TheJRMYdavypi wrote:TheJRMY wrote: Any game that involves randomness (Le Havre, for example) is innately unsolvable.I have to mildly disagree with this. Nim is a game that can have a random setup. I...
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by TheJRMYturbothy wrote:davypi wrote:You can randomize all of these conditions, yet algorithms exist that solve the game for any of these given states. I think the correct claim here is that any game...
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by grant5TheJRMY wrote:turbothy wrote:davypi wrote:You can randomize all of these conditions, yet algorithms exist that solve the game for any of these given states. I think the correct claim here is...
View ArticleReply: Le Havre:: Reviews:: Re: A Landmark Game
by RetroBeliever To state it succinctly, this was one of the most thorough and eloquently written reviews I have ever had the privilege of reading. I felt smarter just reading your review, as if my...
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by JohnRayJr Thanks!It's good to hear that people still find this review and consider it a worthwhile read, several years later :)
View ArticleReply: Le Havre:: Strategy:: Re: "The Game's Been Solved"?
by TheJRMYgrant5 wrote:TheJRMY wrote:turbothy wrote:davypi wrote:You can randomize all of these conditions, yet algorithms exist that solve the game for any of these given states. I think the correct...
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by grant5TheJRMY wrote:grant5 wrote:TheJRMY wrote:turbothy wrote:davypi wrote:You can randomize all of these conditions, yet algorithms exist that solve the game for any of these given states. I think...
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by TheJRMYgrant5 wrote:TheJRMY wrote:grant5 wrote:TheJRMY wrote:turbothy wrote:davypi wrote:You can randomize all of these conditions, yet algorithms exist that solve the game for any of these given...
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by turbothy You still have the initially unknown distribution of the 7 offer tiles and the hidden special buildings. So I have to agree with golden_cow2 that it's not actually solvable, because even if...
View ArticleReply: Le Havre:: Strategy:: Re: "The Game's Been Solved"?
by Ponton The real hidden information are the special buildings. The offer tiles are not that hidden. You know exactly how they look like, you just don't know the order they come into play. For the...
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by turbothy Right, but you still can't choose the correct decision tree because the information is hidden from the start. Even if you were to solve all permutations, you can only guess as to which is...
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by grant5 People. Come on. The game is not solvable, even disregarding the hidden information in the special buildings. For one, there is far to much variability that enters the game based on the...
View ArticleReply: Le Havre:: Strategy:: Re: "The Game's Been Solved"?
by steveg700 So, it's not "solved" as game theory would define the word. However, since the consensus is that there's a dominant strategy, the game may "feel" solved. While it's argued that the game...
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