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Reply: Le Havre:: Strategy:: Re: Some Thoughts about the Strategy
by scottsch
I can see how a score can be 10 * # turns. 10F/move is a bit of an overstatement, because of harvests. In a 3p long game, there are 13 harvests. If you ship cattle and bread, that's 78F; or if you eat them, it's 65F. If you factor that out, you need closer to 8F per move.↧
Thread: Le Havre:: General:: Le Havre - Is the game friendly?
by Ronen Yi
I prefer simple and unique games with good depth. I'm looking for games that are easy to bring to the table, are fast, quite friendly to new players and don't take too long. Le Havre has a weight rating of 3.7. It is very high.What do you think? Is it complicated? Does it have a lot of components? It drags? Does the game have a lot of rules? Should I avoid it?
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Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Le Havre - Is the game friendly?
by rkonigsberg
Let me put it to you this way: if you came to my home and you mentioned those constraints while we negotiated a game to play, Le Havre wouldn't be on my list. It's not that friendly to new players, and takes quite some time.↧
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Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Le Havre - Is the game friendly?
by ricstu
But it's an amazing game…↧
Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Le Havre - Is the game friendly?
by Dvs08
Ronen Yi wrote:
I prefer simple and unique games with good depth. I'm looking for games that are easy to bring to the table, are fast, quite friendly to new players and don't take too long. Le Havre has a weight rating of 3.7. It is very high.
What do you think? Is it complicated? Does it have a lot of components? It drags? Does the game have a lot of rules? Should I avoid it?
What do you think? Is it complicated? Does it have a lot of components? It drags? Does the game have a lot of rules? Should I avoid it?
The game itself is actually quite simple. You either activate a card effect or take some goods. The difficulty lies in complex planning and decision making. So if you say you like simple and unique games with good depth, that would make me recommend you try Le Havre honestly. Then again after reading "friendly to new players" and "doesn't take long" I'd hesitate because the game can be tough on new folks and induce some AP, be stressful to people not familiar with Uwe's famous "must feed your people" mechanism, and last but not least - the player count. This game is a gem if we're talking 2 or 3 players but most of the people would not recommend going any higher in player count (for reasons you can read more about in these forums if really interested).
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Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Le Havre - Is the game friendly?
by Ronen Yi
Thank you very much.↧
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Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Le Havre - Is the game friendly?
by soccerref
Ronen Yi wrote:
I prefer simple and unique games with good depth. I'm looking for games that are easy to bring to the table, are fast, quite friendly to new players and don't take too long. Le Havre has a weight rating of 3.7. It is very high.
What do you think? Is it complicated? Does it have a lot of components? It drags? Does the game have a lot of rules? Should I avoid it?
What do you think? Is it complicated? Does it have a lot of components? It drags? Does the game have a lot of rules? Should I avoid it?
Based on those criteria, I recommend that you play The Quacks of Quedlinburg. Or Codenames. Perhaps Planet Unknown.
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Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Le Havre - Is the game friendly?
by JohnRayJr
Ronen Yi wrote:
I prefer simple and unique games with good depth. I'm looking for games that are easy to bring to the table, are fast, quite friendly to new players and don't take too long. Le Havre has a weight rating of 3.7. It is very high.
What do you think? Is it complicated? Does it have a lot of components? It drags? Does the game have a lot of rules? Should I avoid it?
What do you think? Is it complicated? Does it have a lot of components? It drags? Does the game have a lot of rules? Should I avoid it?
Pros: Turn-flow itself is pretty simple (teaching a new player: 'what am I doing on my turn')
Cons: Yes, it's complicated, yes, it has a lot of components, yes, it has a lot of rules (in that players need to think about the functions of many different buildings and resources), and while I would not say it drags, yes, it is long, and yes, it is especially long with a group who is learning from the rulebook.
It's a great game and, in my experience, teaching it to more casual gamers can work out pretty well. But it just doesn't really sound like what you're looking for. It sounds like something that could be a good next step AFTER what you're looking for.
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Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Le Havre - Is the game friendly?
by Ranior
I'm with the majority that what you're describing doesn't make me think to suggest Le Havre.In particular, the game is not fast, especially for newer players, it likely is going to take you close to an hour per person when learning.
It's not really easy. It's not wildly complex by hobby game standards, but by general standards it's complicated. Even for hobby gamers it's at best medium weight, not light.
I also wouldn't claim it's particularly friendly for newer players. Not that it's wildly hard, but the game rewards repeated play and planning/strategy (which is part of what makes it such a great strategy game!) .
Based on all that, I think you should avoid it. The better question honestly might be what has drawn you towards it at all given the restrictions you've stated? That might help the rest of us point you in a better direction suggestion wise.
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Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Le Havre - Is the game friendly?
by ravenskana
Ronen, I feel context is needed. Are there other games you have tried you felt were too complicated? Are there similar games you have that have worked fine?I first played Le Havre way back in 2010, and then I played with my (at the time) young kids, ages 10 and 9, and it was not a problem for my family. However, my experience isn’t predictive of anyone else. Without some idea of games you think are fine complexity wise, and what is not, I can’t judge if it would be appropriate for you.
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Top 100 Games on BGG Discussion! (Episode 5, 60-51)
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Hello!
We're continuing our series of talking about the top 100 games on BGG (as of March 2023). We had a lot of fun talking about these games, and we would love to hear your thoughts on this selection of games as well! Do they belong in the top 100? Have you played them? Are they worth putting in your collection?
We'll be back with our normal content after this series, but we thought it would be fun to share these here on BGG since we are all users here.
Enjoy!
-Ryan
Hello!
We're continuing our series of talking about the top 100 games on BGG (as of March 2023). We had a lot of fun talking about these games, and we would love to hear your thoughts on this selection of games as well! Do they belong in the top 100? Have you played them? Are they worth putting in your collection?
We'll be back with our normal content after this series, but we thought it would be fun to share these here on BGG since we are all users here.
Enjoy!
-Ryan
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Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Le Havre - Is the game friendly?
by JoshBot
I thought about your question. On a player turn, they can do one of two things. Beyond that… it gets complicated. And oh lord are there a lot of bits.↧
Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Le Havre - Is the game friendly?
by Dark_Knight
I'd say avoid.Yeah-you either play an action or take resources...BUT, you really need steel and energy...and you need ships, wooden, iron, steel.....and you need to figure out sequences-what basic resources lead to what improved resources-what buildings and (food or money) are needed to activate-both of which are clearly shown on the cards-but food (needed for end of round) and money (which are 1 point each) sometimes just aren't that plentiful at critical times, resource upgrades-each of which take a turn, each of which can be thwarted if another player takes what you were intending...the buildings require some knowledge...one of the few games where taking loans is not the end of the world-but you need to time stuff right....shipping becomes big later-but you need to have worthwhile stuff to ship....did I mention energy?
Yeah...try Azul or Dixit.
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We are putting the shoe on the other foot (does that mean what I think it means?) And diving into a subject that we know nothing about. Although we know some designers, we don't know what they do. So here is our limited perspective on their job. Along with our designers we like to follow (see podcast below).
But before that, lets post a poll. Let's find out some things about you so we can chat in our next show.
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[MP3]https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/burkyandbadger/BB_107_edit...|Designer Goodness 107[/MP3]
5:35 ***Things that make the King go Hmmm!***
2023 games sales slightly down!
18:45 ***Sponsor break***
Arcane Wonders with their spectacular World Wonders Age of Wonders: Planetfall, Foundations of Rome; Freedom Five,
22:18 ***The Good, The Not So Bad & The Ugly***
Our first impressions of new games for us
46:56 ***Sponsor break***
Game Toppers 4.0 will be delivered soon. Don’t delay on the late pledge
50:50 ***The Babble***
We are going to talk about designers, what they do, what they could do and who do we keep an eye on
The Livestream
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Reply: Le Havre:: Reviews:: Re: Le Havre – Amazing or Not - Brutally Blue Review
by mattberr
Nice review, wouldn't the final score be 7.5?↧
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