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  • 12/17/14--15:44: New Image for Le Havre
  • by Fobosdeimos

    Inserto en cartón pluma para el juego Le Havre

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  • 12/17/14--16:02: New Image for Le Havre
  • by Fobosdeimos

    Inserto en cartón pluma para el juego Le Havre

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    by lostphd

    PauloSantoro wrote:

    But please note that the order in this case does not matter: you can't use cattle and grain to feed.


    This is, of course, correct. But in practice in can matter, and this is why (contrary to the rules) I teach people to feed first and then harvest.

    The only reason to do it this (incorrect) way is to avoid anyone accidentally flipping their grain or cattle token over during transfer, and then mistakenly counting it as food in the feeding phase.

    It's a low risk but I think it merits the feeding first option. Especially when teaching beginners.


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    by gillum

    lostphd wrote:

    The only reason to do it this (incorrect) way is to avoid anyone accidentally flipping their grain or cattle token over during transfer, and then mistakenly counting it as food in the feeding phase.

    But if people are converting grain to bread or cattle to meat during the transfer, aren't things getting messed up - even if this round's feeding is OK?

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    by EnderA

    gillum wrote:

    But if people are converting grain to bread or cattle to meat during the transfer, aren't things getting messed up - even if this round's feeding is OK?
    He means that in the process of adding a grain/cattle, they might accidentally flip one (either the one they're adding or one they already have) suddenly creating a new food source.

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    by Ponton

    You can't do anything about stuff like that anyway. Sure, they cannot use the food right away, but they can later if that happened. Doesn't change much. Players should be more careful in general.

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    by Jon Gameosn

    *** Me again, bringing you our 6th meetup - same old Peter, but new games, new controversy and a new song I can't get out of my head!!! Enjoy!!!

    ..."fish and clay, fish and clay"...ARGH!!!! http://bromsgrovebg.weebly.com/blog/wednesday-26th-november ***
    _____
    8 gamers came to the Hop Pole Inn on Wednesday, an expectant crowd wanting to find out about and play a new addition to Aaron’s collection: Francis Drake, a (technically) 3-5 player Euro game all about kitting out ships, exploring the Spanish Main and finding treasure. This pleasure was enjoyed by Aaron (also learning and playing the game for the first time), Chris, Jess and Peter #2 (one of these days I will find out his surname- let’s hope it’s not Hazlewood; that would be awkward). Ranked a decent 305 on Board Game Geek, this is a game on the up. Thanks to BGG’s ‘Geek rating’ which adds weight to games with more ratings, games often take their time rising up the rankings until their Geek rating finally catches up with the average rating, as given by hundreds of gamers around the world. Thus, some positions are clearly false. Francis’ Drake’s average rating of 7.57 would put it somewhere in the 70s, alongside hugely popular games like Cosmic Encounter, Kemet, Sid Meier’s Civilisation and Ticket to Ride. It’s also rated 135th in strategy games. Played out in under 2 hours, much enjoyment was had by our would-be privateers with Jess the best of the bunch, scoring 94 points. A little way behind came Chris with 82, Aaron with 72 and Peter with 65. I imagine this will get more plays in the not-too-distant future, particularly as this dastardly pirate wants a go.
    Francis Drake

    Meanwhile on table 2…Neil, Jon, Sam and I cracked open Le Havre, a wonderful Economic Euro-game where each player attempts to build buildings and ships for the ultimate goal of scoring the most points, but rather vitally needing to save enough food each round to slake the hunger of their greedy workers. Each round a number of resources become available and players take turns helping themselves to these stashes, or else using any building in the game for special effects. It is a question of careful planning, good timing and a good strategy. 2 very different strategies stood out in this game; I concentrated on building a strong fleet of ships to make food collection easy. This involved building the first wharf and also the shipping lines building to take advantage of trading resources for Francs near the end of the game. This strategy appeared to be paying dividends until right near the end when it became clear what Jon’s road to victory would entail: bonus points for each resource he had in his possession, which was a lot! Jon claimed the win with 132 points, I gained second with 118 while the battle for third place went to Sam with 96 points, Neil close behind with 92. Ann important addition to world philosophy was also coined in the form of Neil’s first law: “If you’ve got wood, you’ve got energy.”

    It’s easy to see how the game is ranked 12th on Board Game Geek once you’ve played it a couple of times. Games that have an average rating of over 8 are rare and highly prized; achieving 8.01, which currently equals Power Grid, places this game in the upper echelons thanks to a combination of theme, good mechanisms and a huge choice of options for each player. These options come at a cost, which is the cost of time. Each round is split into 7 actions alternating between the players; there are 20 rounds, plus 1 extra action for every player at the end of the game. In a 4 player game, that means there are 144 decisions to make and inevitably, when every player wants to make the best of their turns it’s going to take a while. Our game finished in just over 3 hours which some players may find a little much, although games with new players are bound to take longer due to teaching the fundamentals and also becoming more familiar with the actions available. For me, I think this game fully deserves its place on Neil’s shelf and 14,684 other people agree with me.
    Le Havre

    The long play time of Le Havre allowed our Francis Drake wannabes to get out one more game, a family favourite that won the coveted Spiel des Jahres in 2014: Camel up. A game for 2-8 players, this looks like a barrel of laughs as players attempt to bet on 5 racing camels. I like a game with good components and this definitely wins in that category, the pyramid dice tower providing a nice focal point to this attractive game. I definitely hope to be betting on camels in the upcoming weeks. It's ranked 117th in family games on Board Game Geek, a rating that I'm sure the designer and publishers would like to continue rising.
    Camel Up

    Following evidence from an independent committee, it has come to my attention that Chris will in fact be awarded the Fraud of the Week award due to confusing me with fake scoring in Francis Drake. Jess is most definitely the gamer of the week.

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    by Delodax

    Ponton wrote:

    The new editions added some expert rules (optional) that are what you mentioned:

    1. optional rule: pay 2 francs interest if your number of loans is >= number of players

    2. optional rule: only sell stuff on your own turn or when the game wants you to pay something, but you're short on money


    In which versions of the game are these rules present? I've looked in the rulebook on Zman's and Lookout's site but found nothing.

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    by Ponton

    Delodax wrote:

    In which versions of the game are these rules present? I've looked in the rulebook on Zman's and Lookout's site but found nothing.


    Page 12 in the German rules:

    http://lookout-spiele.de/wp-content/uploads/LeHavre_Regeln_2...

    The same document in English seems to be missing the expert rules. Maybe they never got edited into the English version. The download section of the Lookout website seems to provide old versions of the rules. There, the German rules are also missing the new stuff.


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    by Delodax

    Ponton wrote:

    Delodax wrote:

    In which versions of the game are these rules present? I've looked in the rulebook on Zman's and Lookout's site but found nothing.


    Page 12 in the German rules:

    http://lookout-spiele.de/wp-content/uploads/LeHavre_Regeln_2...

    The same document in English seems to be missing the expert rules. Maybe they never got edited into the English version. The download section of the Lookout website seems to provide old versions of the rules. There, the German rules are also missing the new stuff.



    Ok, thanks. Also noticed there was a note about restrictions of the Marketplace in solo play, note sure that is in my rules either.

    Has there been any "analysis" of how the load rule affects gameplay, does it have a big impact on viable strategies?

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    by Jareck80

    http://www.amazon.com/Storage-Stackable-Containers-Crafts-Fi...

    These are awesome! They screw together so when stored, it's just like a long tube of bits. Additionally, them screwing together prevents spillage.

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    by Delodax

    Jareck80 wrote:

    http://www.amazon.com/Storage-Stackable-Containers-Crafts-Fi...

    These are awesome! They screw together so when stored, it's just like a long tube of bits. Additionally, them screwing together prevents spillage.


    Am using something very similar for my copy. My only gripe is that the diameter is a little bit too great, so they lid doesn't close perfectly :(

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  • 12/29/14--23:42: Rank of Games Played in 2014
  • by Hugo Souza

    It's that time of the year when pro-reviewers, enthusiasts and pretty much everybody else write/record their top X games of the year.

    Disclaimer: I do play solitaire multiplayer and will, whenever it applies, express my opinions based solely on these experiences. If you have a problem with this "methodology", then you might as well ignore my list. I have more games than opponents/time to play, so I have to trim down the list of stuff I carry to game nights to titles which I'm really interested in playing with real people.

    Without further ado, here's the various winners and losers of my own made up categories and prizes.

    The Worst
    Worst Game of 2014: Pathfinder Adventure Card Game: Rise of the Runelords – Base Set
    Worst Strategy Game of 2014: Alien Frontiers
    Worst Dice Game of 2014: Space Cadets: Dice Duel
    Worst fiddly mess of 2014: Galactic Strike Force
    Worst Components of 2014: Astra Titanus
    Worst Party Game of 2014: King of Tokyo
    Worst Gateway Game of 2014: The Settlers of Catan
    Worst Game Rewrite of 2014: Merchant of Venus (second edition)
    Worst Box Dimension of 2014: Glass Road

    The Weird
    Only played story telling game of 2014: Agents of SMERSH
    Biggest Classic Disappointment of 2014: Tigris & Euphrates
    The only chits and hexes Wargame I'll ever buy of forever: World at War: Eisenbach Gap
    Silver Medal for Nerd bait of 2014: The Lord of the Rings: The Card Game
    Gold Medal for Nerd Bait of 2014: Star Wars: X-Wing Miniatures Game

    The Socially Inept Category
    Best Solo 4X of 2014: Space Empires: 4X
    Best Pure Solitaire Game of 2014: Friday
    Best Co-op of 2014: Freedom: The Underground Railroad
    Best AI Opponent of 2014: Race for the Galaxy
    Best Solo Civi of 2014: Nations
    Best Solo Auction Game of 2014: Fleet
    Best Feld Solo of 2014: Luna
    Best Uwe Solo of 2014: At the Gates of Loyang
    Best Solo Strategy Game of 2014: Mage Knight Board Game
    Best Solo Game of 2014: Mage Knight Board Game

    The Good Stuff
    Best Non-Ameritrash Thematic Game of 2014: Android
    Best Ameritrash of 2014: Fortune and Glory: The Cliffhanger Game
    Best Travel Game of 2014: K2
    Best Deck Builder of 2014: Star Realms
    Best Gateway Game of 2014: Splendor
    Best Abstract Game of 2014: Splendor
    Best Dungeon Crawler of 2014: Myth
    Best Euro/Wargame Hybrid of 2014: Cuba Libre
    Best Euro/Ameritrash Hybrid of 2014: Robinson Crusoe: Adventure on the Cursed Island
    Best Heavy Game of 2014: Panamax
    Best Civ of 2014: The Golden Ages
    Best Auction Game of 2014: Keyflower
    Best Uwe of 2014: Le Havre
    Best Feld of 2014: Bora Bora
    Best Light Game of 2014: Medina (second edition)
    Best Heavy Game of 2014: Panamax
    Best Game of 2014: Terra Mystica

    Honorable Mentions
    Mostly played multiplayer of 2014: Euphoria: Build a Better Dystopia
    Better Looking Board of 2014: CO₂
    Coolest Theme of 2014: Last Will
    The no. three game I wish I had played in a group of 2014: Eclipse
    The no. two game I wish I had played in a group in 2014: Keyflower
    The no. one game I wish to had played in a group of 2014: Bruxelles 1893

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    by Jareck80

    The ones I linked to actually fit with room to spare. I had to keep some in a spare bag that wouldn't fit, but it's not many and there seem to be plenty to play the game with in the containers.

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    by Delodax

    Jareck80 wrote:

    The ones I linked to actually fit with room to spare. I had to keep some in a spare bag that wouldn't fit, but it's not many and there seem to be plenty to play the game with in the containers.


    I see. Mine can contain all the bits, although barely. Guess they might be a bit larger then.

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    by SirKittyJuice

    I ordered this through Kickstarter, but this company called Daedalus Productions has a sick insert for Le Havre that significantly reduces the set-up time and also is great for holding all the chits for the goods. Anxiously waiting for mine to come, I LOVE Le Havre!!!

    http://www.daedalusproductionsinc.com/?product=quick-start-i...


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  • 01/01/15--03:09: 2014: a crazy year
  • by Surya Van Lierde is pure Eurosnoot and proud of it!

    Man, 2014 was crazy!

    On the game site
    Nothing too spectacular happened gaming wise, but I did get to play a ton of games again this year!
    - 225 different games and expansions
    - 348 total plays
    Dimes: Abluxxen, Red7
    Fives: Le Havre, Mythotopia, Race for the Galaxy, Race for the Galaxy: Alien Artifacts

    On the not game side
    - Bought an electric car in January
    - I made a deal with a record label to release some of my music
    - Went to New Zealand for 3 weeks and went diving on the Great Barrier Reef for a week in Australia in February. Both highly recommended!
    We also visited my old pal Martin Wallace and his lovely wife Julia when we where in the area.
    - Found out I was fired the first day back at work. Thanks boss! NOT!
    - Replaced our heating oil installation with a pellet burner in March
    - Went to the UK for 8 days with our electric car in June. This way we could see how well it holds up on longer trips. It certainly works great in the UK, their charging infrastructure is great.
    We also went to see our friend Tony Boydell and his gamer friends again. Always good fun!
    - Started school in September to become a certified gardener
    - Went to Essen with our electric car in October and found charging in The Netherlands much easier than in Germany, but I'm sure that will improve.
    Spiel itself was great fun again as we always get to see so many of our international friends which we meet just once a year.
    - Had our solar heating installation installed early December. This should lower our use of pellets, but is not a sound economical investment. It will take 18 years to get our money back. But then again: with a normal heater, you never get any money back, it just keeps on costing money for infinity.
    - Had our PV array installed a week later. This should be a good investment that should pay for itself in about 7 years, even without incentives. But most of all it means I can fuel my car for free now. How awesome is that?
    - I made a second deal with an other label to release some more of my music
    - I found out a track I made with a friend over a year ago, is going to be released next year
    - I found a new, better paying job just before Christmas. I start early January

    Man, we spent a lot of money this year, but most of it are investments to both lower our energy usage and cost. Our home is reasonably insulated but that could be improved in the future as well. Good thing we had savings, none of it was bought on credit (except the car). But now most savings are gone.

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  • 01/02/15--00:32: New Image for Le Havre
  • by ZEROFACES

    Teaching my 5yo daughter how to play!

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    by Steve Carey

    Umbrageofsnow wrote:

    You can also buy a second building on the same turn if you have the money.


    Just to clarify, that second building purchase has to be from the same Proposal pile.

    So what if a player buys a Town building, does that mean they cannot purchase a building from a Proposal pile (but can purchase a second Town building)?

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    by ravenskana

    Just to clarify, that second building purchase has to be from the same Proposal pile.


    No, unless I misunderstand something, this is incorrect. One can always purchase any of the town's buildings (except any building the player just sold in that turn) and/or the topmost building of any of the three proposal piles; furthermore, one can buy as many buildings as one can afford.

    From the rules, page 5:

    In addition to the Supply and Main actions, a player can buy one
    or more Building and/or Ship cards at any time during his own turn (even before taking the Supply action or Main action).
    (See also: Rule clarifications, page 9)


    From page 9:

    • Only buildings in the Building Proposals can be built
    The topmost buildings in the Building Proposals piles can either be bought or built. Buildings that belong to the town cannot be built but can only be bought (The buildings have already been constructed).


    You may buy any of the three topmost buildings, and after buying one, can then buy the next topmost building, or buy from another proposal, or buy from the town, etc; again, as long as you can afford it. You can't take loans to buy buildings.

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