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    by ullapool

    As a father of two daughters (currently 11 and almost 8) I am very interested in opinions on "adult games" that kids can play. You should do more reviews or I should learn to search them out better. I like the notion of a gamer dad teaching his kids to enjoy the experience with him.

    Personally, we have recently introduced Dominion to our kids. It goes over very well. We had problems with Galaxy Trucker (building the ship was OK, doing the race was less OK). There's probably a geek list on the subject - I should do some searching.

    Thanks for your review.

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    by sancmat

    Thank you for the comment. More are on the way.

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    by Marc Maier

    I have toyed with the idea of starting a blog on BGG for many months now, but couldn't pull the trigger because I thought I'd need some kind of exceptional beginning. I've decided to just start in medias res as it were, just jumping right in because otherwise, I'd never get going.

    So this inaugural post is a simple session report about Le Havre; enjoy.


    Le Havre

    Date: July 3, 2014
    Location: Darien (2014 DarienCon 2, Home)

    Ilan: 188
    Me: 117
    Matt: 117

    After a false start with another game, we chose Le Havre. It had been awhile since any of us had last played, but we were able to get back into it without any trouble. This is due to the elegantly simple mechanics which still stand out compared to newer games in the crowded worker placement genre. Unfortunately, the same cannot be said for the setup which, true to Rosenberg's M.O., requires lots of card and component sorting. I was freshly impressed with forest's worth of cardboard included in this game. But is it just me, or are the board pieces somewhat flimsier than is the norm in more recent games? I was also bemused at the separate three-part board; you don't see that much these days either, with gameboards tending toward single, segemented folding pieces.

    Personally, I found it easy to get back into the flow of Le Havre, and it seemed as if Ilan and Matt did as well. I was chosen start player, so I engaged in the standard build marketplace/buy building firm opening. My plan going forward was to build a couple of early buildings, then sell them back to purchase a wooden ship. While this worked out alright, it seems to be a better strategy for the full game; in the short version we played, there isn't enough time to recover from selling the buildings and make those francs back before the end. I also messed up the sequencing on my initial sales; should have sold the Marketplace first and kept the Building Firm for the hammer icon to boost future Marketplace visits, but c'est la guerre.

    My other idea was to build up a big supply of grain and bake it up mid game which addressed my food needs for the remainder of the game as well as giving me a potentially valuable stock of cargo since bread sells for $3 the same as cattle does. I also had a bunch of cattle, the idea being that I'd ship a lot in the final two turns while building a steel ship and a luxury liner. I eschewed iron ships because iron ships are for suckers.

    Ilan aimed straight as an arrow at a Bank-based, building strategy, and happily accumulated buildings, even purchasing some from the town in order to have them for the bank bonus at the end. I managed to build the Steel Mill out from under him a bit, but he got the Cokery which we were all forced to use a few times. Matt had the Bakery, which I used twice. At one point, Matt had a bunch of grain and I was convinced that he was going to try the same thing as me, but he ate all of his bread due to not having a ship for quite a long time.

    Both Matt and I took loans, although I had two, and he paid his off almost immediately whereas I was content, as is my wont in Le Havre, to let the loans ride until nearer the end. I shipped mid game in order to get the money to pay it off, and then I set about trying to accumulate steel and coke so as to be able to build a steel ship, ship once or twice more, then build the last luxury liner.

    All this would have worked out, but we forgot that the game ends with the introduction of the final luxury liner. We'd all been planning on one more complete round, so we were taken by surprise that there was only the final action. Matt would have made steel to build a ship or a liner, and I certainly would have shipped again while building the liner with the final action. As it happened, I was left with a choice of shipping or building the liner -- I was only one with steel to do so. It turned out that I could add more to my score by shipping the steel along with most of my cows than by building the liner.

    Ilan's strategy of building suffered the least from the surprise end because he'd managed to build the Bank. Even so, I don't think either Matt or I could have caught him since he was so far ahead, but we'd definitely have made it more respectable if we'd planned for the end of the game to happen when it did.

    The session overall did not overstay its welcome; my conclusion that Le Havre is best with three was confirmed once again. It was great to play with others who knew the game well enough to jump right in and play well. I will have to keep Le Havre in mind for the future; it's gotten pushed back by the flood of new games that are released every year, a golden age that one could argue Le Havre and Agricola played a large role in starting.

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    by sancmat



    My Second review is up (Formula D). Here is my geek list for all of my reviews. (So far both of them).

    http://boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/175921/board-games-dads-pe...

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    by oldbsturgeon

    I bought the IOS version of this game as it was on sale for 99 cents and I have played quite a lot of games of it now with a variety of AI difficulty levels in 2 and 3 player usually.
    after reading about various starting strategies and later game strategies, I can never play it just on my own and always seem to use the help button.
    I wanted to get in a bunch of games for practice when I get to play it for real, but if I cannot figure out which moves to make on my own and can only get around 30 wealth, then its not going to do much good.


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    by neverscene

    oldbsturgeon wrote:

    I bought the IOS version of this game as it was on sale for 99 cents and I have played quite a lot of games of it now with a variety of AI difficulty levels in 2 and 3 player usually.
    after reading about various starting strategies and later game strategies, I can never play it just on my own and always seem to use the help button.
    I wanted to get in a bunch of games for practice when I get to play it for real, but if I cannot figure out which moves to make on my own and can only get around 30 wealth, then its not going to do much good.

    Try forcing yourself to play several games without the help and don't be afraid to lose or make mistakes. The game is one with decisions of good, better, best. After you try that a few times, slowly go back to the help, but consider why the computer might be suggesting something. It's usually to to chain a few turns together to get a building, etc that takes a few turns to see. For sure go for it without help and see how it goes. I don't believe the computer always suggests the best decisions, but it's a good way to learn. Also, start with the shorter game if you aren't doing that already. It's much easier to learn than the full game.

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    by Thunkd

    http://boardgamegeek.com/video/24306/le-havre/rahdo-runs-thr...

    I think it helps to see this played as a physical boardgame. For some reason the digital version isn't as intuitive to me.

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    by neverscene

    Thunkd wrote:

    http://boardgamegeek.com/video/24306/le-havre/rahdo-runs-thr...

    I think it helps to see this played as a physical boardgame. For some reason the digital version isn't as intuitive to me.

    I like this idea a lot too because Rahdo goes into why he is taking the actions he takes and that should help a lot. Reading the rulebook also wouldn't hurt.

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    by sancmat

    I agree. Rahdo's run through really helped me learn the rules. Also I would suggest just playing your first game with 2-3 players and focus on getting ships out and feeding. As was already said don't worry about loosing just learn the rules to start.

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    by Redward

    Try playing the solo game. The goals are the same without having to worry about getting blocked. After a few games of that you should see your score improve.

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    by xtsgarp

    Keep going to coilery,get tons of coal, go to cokery get tons of coke, ship it out = profit.

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    by Bradley Cummings, Editor



    We are back again with another stream. Tonight we will be playing bits and pieces of several games from Codito Development. Codito will be taking a hiatus, and we want to take a moment to honor them for all they have done for our hobby.

    Here's the video:

    Youtube Video

    Have you enjoyed playing Codito games such as Le Havre (The Harbor), Puerto Rico HD, Medici, and more? Show your appreciation for Codito by putting some of your thoughts in the comments below. We will share some of your comments live during the broadcast.

    We do have codes to giveaway, so be sure to leave a tribute!

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    by courtjus

    What are your "usual" solo scores ? I just played for the first time and scored 249, I would to know "how good" I played

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    by catmando

    Wow, I had the same exact feeling myself!

    Ignore the help tips. If you don't know Why it's being suggested it is pointless to follow.

    Plunge In. Play play play lose lose lose then Someday . . .

    I can stomp all over the AI butt now.

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    by Leedguitar

    Thunkd wrote:

    http://boardgamegeek.com/video/24306/le-havre/rahdo-runs-thr...

    I think it helps to see this played as a physical boardgame. For some reason the digital version isn't as intuitive to me.


    This exactly. I bought the ios version on sale a year ago and could just never click with the game. It just didn't seem to flow well at all. People still love the game and I really wanted to give it a chance.

    I just watched Rahdo's run through on this a day or two ago and it just made so much more sense. I will admit though that I always click better with physical versions vs ios. I wanted to play Eclipse and got the ios version and it never clicked. I love Pandemic and play it all the time but the ios version just doesn't feel the same. The only ios games that seem to get play are Small World when the wife and I don't feel like setting up the game, or Carcassonne for the same reason... Usually we will play those two in bed.

    So yea, I'd suggest giving the physical version a try.

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    by gillum

    courtjus wrote:

    What are your "usual" solo scores ? I just played for the first time and scored 249, I would to know "how good" I played
    There was a survey with results here.

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    by oldbsturgeon

    looks like I needed to pay attention more to what was happening. once I did that, I was able to do much better in the game on my own and have won some games now.
    I think the biggest thing I wasn't really aware of when going through it previously was how the symbols impacted the increase of goods or the building symbols likewise.

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    by nikolero

    In the rules of the game there is a note saying:
    "In this game, Food can ALWAYS be replaced 1:1 with Francs".
    Does this mean that in the end of the game you can replace you leftover food with francs and count them as victory points?

    thanks

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    by mister allen

    It means you can use Francs instead of food to enter buildings or meet harvest requirements. Food doesn't count toward your final score.

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    by superbgg

    nikolero wrote:

    In the rules of the game there is a note saying:
    "In this game, Food can ALWAYS be replaced 1:1 with Francs".
    Does this mean that in the end of the game you can replace you leftover food with francs and count them as victory points?

    thanks


    No. That rule means that if you need to pay food, you can pay with money. The reverse is not true, if you need to pay money you can NOT pay with food.

    You can think of it as you are "spending" your money at the end of the game for points - you can't use food in place of money.

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