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May 28, 2014, 11:51 am

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by gillum

Ponton wrote:

Oliver, are you playing the rounds correctly? Is every player taking an 7 actions per round, or do you play (as the rules say) 7 actions total divided up between the players?

Oliver wrote earlier, "7 actions per turn means 126 actions per game (42 per player), to build 36 (?) buildings. That's a building every 4 actions, which I don't really see as very difficult."

It sounds like he understood this point (or else he would have written, "126 per player").

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May 28, 2014, 3:42 pm

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by Ponton

Didn't read the whole thread, sorry.

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May 29, 2014, 2:56 am

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by jcaraway

gillum wrote:

Ponton wrote:

Oliver, are you playing the rounds correctly? Is every player taking an 7 actions per round, or do you play (as the rules say) 7 actions total divided up between the players?

Oliver wrote earlier, "7 actions per turn means 126 actions per game (42 per player), to build 36 (?) buildings. That's a building every 4 actions, which I don't really see as very difficult."

It sounds like he understood this point (or else he would have written, "126 per player").

I thought the same thing too, until I read that.

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May 29, 2014, 5:49 am

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by gillum

jcaraway wrote:

gillum wrote:

Ponton wrote:

Oliver, are you playing the rounds correctly? Is every player taking an 7 actions per round, or do you play (as the rules say) 7 actions total divided up between the players?

Oliver wrote earlier, "7 actions per turn means 126 actions per game (42 per player), to build 36 (?) buildings. That's a building every 4 actions, which I don't really see as very difficult."

It sounds like he understood this point (or else he would have written, "126 per player").

I thought the same thing too, until I read that.

Louper suggested that the most interesting questions now regard food, and I think that's right.

The OP had written, "I often went for cattle and used the Abattoir to change it into meat, often many cattle at a time, so I often had enough food for the next 2-3 rounds. I also baked a lot of bread, trying to do as much as I could with one action, saving up grain and cattle until I could change a bunch of them (either grain or cattle, never both) into food at the same time."

Given that the Offer spaces on the board accumulate only one Grain and one Cattle per 7-turn round, we weren't sure how there could be so much to convert (especially with two other players vying for that food, as no one built ships).

One can get a little more from the Marketplace. Grocery Market is another source, but it's unlikely to be available early in the game.

The latter point leads to the following question: Were the three piles of building proposals sorted, so that only the lowest-numbered of each was ever available to be built?

Similarly: Was each building built always the one atop one of the three piles of building proposals?

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May 29, 2014, 5:51 am

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by gillum

louper wrote:

Just to double check, when there's a harvest, you know you only get a single cow at most, right?

I looked, and the OP wrote earlier, "1 cow for 2+ cows and 1 grain for 1+ grains."

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May 29, 2014, 6:03 am

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May 29, 2014, 12:34 pm

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by ayedub

I keep waiting for the "Ah-ha!" moment here.

This thread continues to fail to deliver. :p

So I'll ask another 2 questions that was probably asked earlier and I missed it...you know that you can't use a building twice without leaving and re-entering? Also you know that don't leave a building if you take an offer (effectively blocking that building for perhaps longer than you may think)?

I've really been meaning to sit down and try calculate the mats required for all the buildings and then figure out when the earliest is that you could feasibly get everything built if you went pure mat gathering but I haven't have the time to try crunch those numbers yet...

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May 29, 2014, 12:48 pm

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by moramis

And you only harvested (cow + grain) at the end of a harvest round? There are only 13 harvests in a complete 3p game. Just checking you didn't harvest every turn of a harvest round or something.

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May 29, 2014, 2:02 pm

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by murksofus

ayedub wrote:

I keep waiting for the "Ah-ha!" moment here.

This thread continues to fail to deliver. :p

So I'll ask another 2 questions that was probably asked earlier and I missed it...you know that you can't use a building twice without leaving and re-entering? Also you know that don't leave a building if you take an offer (effectively blocking that building for perhaps longer than you may think)?

I've really been meaning to sit down and try calculate the mats required for all the buildings and then figure out when the earliest is that you could feasibly get everything built if you went pure mat gathering but I haven't have the time to try crunch those numbers yet...

I'm so sorry for failing to deliver the aha moment for you :P we played your two questions (and moramis' question as well) correctly.

Same as you, I've been meaning to set up a 3p game and play it through solo to see how early I can build all the buildings. Just haven't had the time for it recently.

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June 1, 2014, 12:37 pm

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by ZeroLatitude

Hi Everyone

I have read the rules for this game, and watched runthroughs of gameplay.

The rules state that the difference between buying and building the buildings in game is extremely important, and that the two things are very different.

Could someone explain why, as nothing seems to be different, except how you acquire the building, money or resources.

Am I missing something

Cheers in advance

Stuart

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June 1, 2014, 12:55 pm

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by Umbrageofsnow

You need to spend an action to build a building, and thus can only build one building per turn, and can't use it on the turn you build it. You can buy a building for free, and then use your action to use it. You can also buy a second building on the same turn if you have the money.

You can't build a building if all the Building Firms/Construction Firm are occupied, while you can always buy a building.

Building a building almost always amounts to being more cost effective in terms of resources spent, this is made up for by needing a diversity of resources instead of just money, and needing to spend a precious action, so it may not actually be more cost effective in the sense of the overall game, this varies.

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June 1, 2014, 1:04 pm

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by millsyboy

You probably understand correctly. Once you have a building it doesn't make any difference how you got it.

The main differences between buying and building are:

* You can't build a building that has already been built (eg by the town).
* You can buy as many buildings and ships as you can afford on your turn, but you're limited by the construction building you've chosen as to how many buildings you can build on your turn.

If you understand all that already then you've got a good grasp of the rules.

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June 1, 2014, 2:05 pm

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by ZeroLatitude

Excellent, cheers

Any thoughts on the extra bit I edited in re special buildings:-

Also, what is the process when the special buildings pile runs out, as the rules state it can never be empty, but doesn't explain how it is restocked.

Thanks again
Stu

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June 1, 2014, 2:22 pm

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by KentuckyKid

There are always more special buildings in the original stack than will be used in the game. The only way special buildings come out is when the town builds them (although they may be bought later by a player).

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June 1, 2014, 2:24 pm

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by Mudflap

Special buildings will never run out so they will never need to be restocked. Special buildings only enter the game at the end of certain rounds and are built by the town. The game will never have you need more special buildings then you put in the pile during setup.

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June 1, 2014, 2:44 pm

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by Mokey D Luffy

Haven't had the time for a 3-4 hour 3-player game that you plan to do by yourself? I don't find that surprising. As much as I love playing Le Havre, I can't imagine sitting down to do a three person playthrough all by myself.

I have trouble believing that all the buildings can get built so quickly, but if you concentrate on it, I can see it possibly happening. I just don't think feeding can be done like that, and the scores seemed too high for what I was reading. I also think it would be pretty hard to win just by doing buildings with no ships, but if all three are playing that way, it kind of cancels out, I guess.

Back to the original title, where you were asking for advice, I would advise playing with your friends again and building a couple of ships while they fight each other over buildings. Having your food taken care of, and then shipping stuff later while they accumulate loans should work out for you.

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June 1, 2014, 3:08 pm

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by nate_lockhart

I played a solo iOS game against 2AI going all building all the way. Ignoring food pretty much, all buildings were gone in round 14. I also had something like 11 loans. So that's something I guess. I'll try a 3 player, no AI game and actually feed and see what I can get.

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June 1, 2014, 6:35 pm

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nate_lockhart wrote:

I played a solo iOS game against 2AI going all building all the way. Ignoring food pretty much, all buildings were gone in round 14. I also had something like 11 loans. So that's something I guess. I'll try a 3 player, no AI game and actually feed and see what I can get.

Played all 3 players. All buildings built by round 13. I tried to sustain food with only 2 players building boats but was unable too. Once a player got a few loans, I just let them roll to concentrate on pushing out buildings as quick as possible.

After 13 rounds:
Player 1: 38 wealth, 8 loans
Player 2: 52 wealth, 9 loans
Player 3: 82 wealth, 2 loans

I pulled every trick in the book to rig it in favor of building just so I could meet 13 rounds. In the end, the situation was kind of dire food-wise looking ahead and with no ships, the point scoring options were going to be very limited.

I'm going to have to fall on the side that scoring 200+ points and building all buildings in 12 rounds while players mostly sustain themselves on cattle/grain/fish is very unlikely.

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June 1, 2014, 8:29 pm

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by Sam Middleton

Sorry folks, better late than never though.

Here are the pictures I promised:

All thanks to:
[user=elschmear][/user]

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by Mools

OK. Now I'm reaching.

1) When you collected your resources, did you take them from the dock/offering space? Therefore leaving that space empty for other players? Or were you taking the amount that is on the offering space from the supply?

2) Were you discarding the resources you spent or were you playing like 7 wonders where resources you collect are available to spend every round? When you feed or build a building, the resources required are then spent and disposed of.