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Reply: Le Havre:: Rules:: Re: Does taking goods from an Offer space remove you from a building you are in?

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by tantan

Yes, that is correct. You are in a building, and the building is therefore occupied, until you move to a new building on a different turn.

Reply: Le Havre:: Rules:: Re: Does taking goods from an Offer space remove you from a building you are in?

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by MplsMatt

Konrad von Richtmark wrote:

What it says in the title. Can you theoretically stay indefinitely inside a building and blocking others from using it by simply choosing to take goods from Offer spaces rather than taking other building actions?


Yes, if you take an offer your worker stays in whatever building they are placed in. However, the worker is removed if the building is bought or sold.

Reply: Le Havre:: Rules:: Re: Does taking goods from an Offer space remove you from a building you are in?

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by tantan

The other exception is with the Harbour Watch card (one of the special buildings), where you pay a player a franc to remove them from a building.

Reply: Le Havre:: Rules:: Re: Does taking goods from an Offer space remove you from a building you are in?

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by Dark_Knight

That depends. If it is your building-yes. If it is another players building and they get sick and tired of you hogging the space all game (and not furthering your own game)- the buildings owner can sell it out from underneath you-at which point your disk goes back to your player area-and even buy it back again in the same turn (at a $$$ loss of course) and use it.

Also, of course, on the final, 'bonus' round-multiple disks can occupy the same building....so no blocking there either.

Thread: Le Havre:: Rules:: What Does this Mean? "The Luxury Yacht counts as an Iron ship"

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by gillum

What do the rules mean when they say "The Luxury Yacht counts as an
Iron ship"?

They go on to say "In contrast to an Iron ship, however, it does not travel for the Shipping Line and it does not provide any food at the end of a round."

If it doesn't do those things, in what way does the Luxury Yacht "count" as an Iron ship?

The only thing that I could think of is if you sell it: "When a player sells a ship, it is placed on top of the pile of Ship cards of that type."

But Ponton said here that, when you sell the Luxury Yacht, it goes back to the town buildings (and not on the Iron ship pile).

Corresponding questions apply to the MS Dagmar and Luxury Liners.

Reply: Le Havre:: Rules:: Re: Selling Luxury Yacht or MS Dagmar

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by gillum

With all due respect to Ponton, I'm not sure how this is consistent with the rules that says "The Luxury Yacht counts as an Iron ship."

I can see that, if the Luxury Yacht is a building, it would indeed go back to the town building. But the rules say that it "counts as an Iron ship"; even Ponton's reference says "The Luxury Yacht is one of two buildings that, in fact, are ships." And there is a Ship symbol on the card.

If the Luxury Yacht counts as a ship (or if it is a ship), it seems that it should obey the ship rules when you sell it (place atop pile of Iron ships) and not the building rules (return to town buildings).

If the Luxury Yacht is returned to the town buildings when it is sold, then it what way does it "count as an Iron ship"? It doesn't provide food and it can't be used for shipping. If it doesn't even obey the ship rules when you sell it, then it doesn't seem like a ship at all; just a 20-value building (with a Fisherman) that you get by going to the Wharf and trading in an Iron ship.

If a sold Luxury Yacht is placed atop the pile of Iron ships, there is still another meaning to its counting "as an Iron ship": it could be then built (at an improved Wharf) for 3 energy and 4 iron (just like any other Iron ship).

If all this were allowed, it would mean that the original exchange action at the Wharf converted one Iron ship (which is removed from the game) into the Luxury Yacht. After that, the Luxury Yacht acts just like the Iron ship it replaced - it can be sold and then re-built - except that (1) it has higher value; (2) it can't ship goods; and (3) it doesn't supply food.

One might ask, "if a sold Luxury Yacht can be re-built as if it were an Iron ship, why doesn't it have a building cost printed on it?"

An answer could be that it has no printed building cost because, when it first appears, it can't be built, either by a trip to the Wharf (as for other unbuilt ships) or by a trip to something like the Building Firm (for unbuilt buildings). A player can acquire it only through purchase or through an exchange for an Iron ship. After the exchange (or purchase), it acts like an Iron ship and can later be built like one (if it is sold).

The same reasoning would apply to the MS Dagmar (and Luxury Liners).

Reply: Le Havre:: Rules:: Re: What Does this Mean? "The Luxury Yacht counts as an Iron ship"

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by ayedub

I believe it only matters in that it requires an upgraded warf to make the switch for one of your iron ships.

Reply: Le Havre:: Rules:: Re: What Does this Mean? "The Luxury Yacht counts as an Iron ship"

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by ayedub

I went and found the card and looked at it, what it also means is it counts as an "Iron Ship" in the same way The Construction Firm counts as an "Industrial Building", currently there aren't any cards that this matters for, but if in a future expansion or on a promo card they give a bonus for number of Iron Ships the luxury yacht will count.

Reply: Le Havre:: Rules:: Re: What Does this Mean? "The Luxury Yacht counts as an Iron ship"

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by Ponton

ayedub wrote:

I believe it only matters in that it requires an upgraded warf to make the switch for one of your iron ships.


That's what this is supposed to mean.

Reply: Le Havre:: Rules:: Re: Selling Luxury Yacht or MS Dagmar

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by Ponton

The Luxury Yacht does not start on the pile of Iron ship when it enters the game. So why should it be put there when sold? However, I see your point and I think it is quite interesting. I haven't seen it like this before.

Reply: Le Havre:: Rules:: Re: What Does this Mean? "The Luxury Yacht counts as an Iron ship"

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by gillum

Ponton wrote:

ayedub wrote:

I believe it only matters in that it requires an upgraded warf to make the switch for one of your iron ships.

That's what this is supposed to mean.

Really?

According to Ponton's reference (for Luxury Liner), "The Wharf needs not to be modernised in order to make this exchange. You are not allowed to modernise the Wharf when you do the exchange."

This differs from the MS Dagmar: "The Wharf needs to be modernised in order to make this exchange. If it hasn't been modernised, yet, you need to modernise it yourself."

The MS Dagmar card explicitly says that the Wharf must be modernized.

The Luxury Yacht card uses the corresponding language, but omits mention of modernization.

The cards thus suggest that the Wharf need not be modernized to exchange an Iron ship for the Luxury Yacht.

But that still leaves the question of how the Luxury Yachts "counts as an Iron ship." I raised one possibility here.

Reply: Le Havre:: Rules:: Re: Luxury Yacht - Official Ruling sought?

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by gillum

I'm raising here the old question of whether a Wharf must be modernized to convert an Iron ship to the Luxury Yacht.

The MS Dagmar is one of the Essen Promo Cards. It corresponds to the Luxury Yacht, except that you convert a Luxury Liner instead of an Iron ship.

The MS Dagmar card says explicitly that the Wharf must be modernized before it can be used to convert a Luxury Liner to the MS Dagmar.

The Luxury Yacht card uses exactly the same language, but it omits any mention of modernization.

Ponton's reference items for the MS Dagmar and the Luxury Yacht are consistent with the interpretation that the two ships differ with regard to the need for Wharf modernization. (The items also contain links to images of the actual German cards.)

Reply: Le Havre:: Rules:: Re: Selling Luxury Yacht or MS Dagmar

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by gillum

Ponton wrote:

The Luxury Yacht does not start on the pile of Iron ship when it enters the game. So why should it be put there when sold?

When a player exchanges an Iron ship for the Luxury Yacht, the original Iron ship is removed from the game. It doesn't go back to the pile of Iron ships. Thus, it's as if the old Iron ship was just upgraded to be the Luxury Yacht, and all the normal rules of ships apply to it.

If the Luxury Yacht counts as an Iron ship in this way, then the sum of all Iron ships (counting the Luxury Yacht) owned by the players and on the pile is always the same (except normally when round cards turn into Iron ships).

I admit that it's different if a player buys the Luxury Yacht - in that case treating the Luxury Yacht as an Iron ship in this way grows the total number of Iron ships in the game.

But perhaps the rules weren't really expect to be fully consistent with the purchase of a Luxury Yacht - I'm not sure why you would do it, unless you were desperate to take out a loan for some reason and needed to get rid of all your Francs.

Reply: Le Havre:: Rules:: Re: What Does this Mean? "The Luxury Yacht counts as an Iron ship"

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by ayedub

You're right, that's why I posted the second time (I didn't delete the first one for posterity) it's in case in the future they add a building that gives bonuses for the number of Iron Ships you own.

Reply: Le Havre:: Rules:: Re: Selling Luxury Yacht or MS Dagmar

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by Ponton

You can buy a Luxury Yacht for the simple reason to incrase the value of your Dock.

Reply: Le Havre:: Rules:: Re: What Does this Mean? "The Luxury Yacht counts as an Iron ship"

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by nate_lockhart

gillum wrote:

Ponton wrote:

ayedub wrote:

I believe it only matters in that it requires an upgraded warf to make the switch for one of your iron ships.

That's what this is supposed to mean.

Really?

According to Ponton's reference (for Luxury Liner), "The Wharf needs not to be modernised in order to make this exchange. You are not allowed to modernise the Wharf when you do the exchange."

This differs from the MS Dagmar: "The Wharf needs to be modernised in order to make this exchange. If it hasn't been modernised, yet, you need to modernise it yourself."

The MS Dagmar card explicitly says that the Wharf must be modernized.

The Luxury Yacht card uses the corresponding language, but omits mention of modernization.

The cards thus suggest that the Wharf need not be modernized to exchange an Iron ship for the Luxury Yacht.

But that still leaves the question of how the Luxury Yachts "counts as an Iron ship." I raised one possibility here.


So Ponton himself is now over-ruled by his own reference?

Reply: Le Havre:: Rules:: Re: What Does this Mean? "The Luxury Yacht counts as an Iron ship"

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by Ponton

Gillum, I think you're putting too much thought into that phrase. I believe (but cannot tell for sure, of course) Uwe meant it to be there in case it should matter for an expansion.

Then again, you can play with your copy however you like. If you're ruling sounds more pleasing to you, then be my guest. :)

Reply: Le Havre:: Rules:: Re: What Does this Mean? "The Luxury Yacht counts as an Iron ship"

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by gillum

Ponton wrote:

Gillum, I think you're putting too much thought into that phrase.
You're almost certainly correct there! That is something I tend to do. Thank you for bearing with me and not being offended.


Ponton wrote:

I believe (but cannot tell for sure, of course) Uwe meant it to be there in case it should matter for an expansion.
That makes sense to me.

Reply: Le Havre:: Rules:: Re: Selling Luxury Yacht or MS Dagmar

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by gillum

Ponton wrote:

You can buy a Luxury Yacht for the simple reason to increase the value of your Dock.

Or perhaps to prevent another player with an Iron ship from upgrading to the Luxury Yacht.

App News: Quarriors Soft Launches, Warhammer 40K Space Wolf Gets Trailer, Codito Enters Cyber-Monday and more...

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by David Neumann, iOS News

App News
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Quarriors! Soft Launches in Canada and NZ
Last Wednesday night there was a surprise launch of Quarriors! on the App Store. The only catch is that you need to live in Canada or New Zealand to actually download it. Turns out it was a soft launch, which means that the developer,Icarus Studios, has released it into a few markets to test the game, most likely the multiplayer component. When will it be released everywhere? We don't know. I would assume they would try for a pre-Christmas release, which means it needs to be out by the 21st, which is the day the App Store closes until after the holidays. If we can find out any more information about a worldwide release, we'll let you know. What we know from the soft launch is that Quarriors is iPad only, costs $5.29NZD which should be $3.99USD (I think) and you can download it here from the NZ App Store and here from the Canada App Store.


Warhammer 40,000: Space Wolf Coming in Q2 of 2014 - New Trailer Released
The first murmurs about this one came back in August. All we knew then was that it was a turn-based, tactical combat game that used a card system for equipment and actions. Well, that's pretty much all we know about it now, except flamethrower! What flamethrower? Herocraft Ltd has released the first trailer for Space Wolf and announced that it should be released in Q2 of 2014, and it will be for iOS, Android and PC. We'll keep you informed if we hear more. Until then, flamethrower!

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Codito puts (almost) Entire Catalog on Sale
Codito Development has put all of their games on sale today for cyber-Monday. All of them except Puerto Rico HD, that is. That one is published by Ravensburger Spieleverlag GmbH, so Codito doesn't have control of its pricing. Also, it appears that this only applies to their iOS games, as I just checked Tigris & Euphrates for Android and it is $2.84. Anyway, here are all their games with links to the App Store:

Reiner Knizia's Tigris and Euphrates: Was $4.99USD, now $0.99USD
Medici (iPad only): Was $1.99USD, now $0.99USD
Medici (iPhone): Was $1.99USD, now $0.99USD
Reiner Knizia's Ra: Was $2.99USD, Now $0.99USD
Tikal: Was $2.99USD, Now $0.99USD
Le Havre (The Harbor): Was $4.99USD, Now $0.99USD
A Brief History of the World: Was $3.99USD, Now $0.99USD


Epigo Gets Update
The guys at Red Finch Software dropped us a note indicating that their excellent port of Epigo has been updated to version 1.1.0. What's included:

Red Finch Software wrote:

- Fix multiplayer bug where backing out of a turn allows you to view the opponent's move in advance.
- Proper animation when displaying the first block of a resumed game.
- Improved iPhone 5 support.
- Performance and stability improvements.


Epigo is for iOS Universal and costs $3.99USD. You can download it from the App Store.


Musket Smoke Released
OK, I'm confused. If you look up Musket Smoke in iTunes, you get a game that was updated on Nov. 27 to version 1.19. This makes it sound like we missed the release at some point. So, I went to Appshopper to find out when Musket Smoke was released...and I can't find it on Appshopper. The developer, snowpunch sent us a trailer, which they're calling a Release trailer. So, I would think it has just been released? Maybe? I honestly am not sure, but who cares? Here's a pretty awesome trailer for Musket Smoke, a new(?) wargame for iOS. It's iPad only, but looks pretty cool. Oh, and it's FREE with the only IAP being a mini-campaign for $2.99USD. The game has online multiplayer, pass-and-play or solo play vs. an AI. It has video tutorials. It's got in-game messaging. It's got an online campaign. Did I mention it was FREE? You can download it from the App Store right now, regardless of how long ago it was released.

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Mijnlieff Released for iOS and Android
Mijnlieff is an abstract boardgame released back in 2010 by designer Andy Hopwood. It's Tic-Tac-Toe, but each piece has special powers and the board is changable. Well, it was just released for iOS and Android for the amazing price of FREE! Mijnlieff is ad-supported, and there is IAP to shut off the ads or to buy different boards, etc. The game has online multiplayer and pass-and-play multiplayer, but I couldn't find any solo option vs. AI. You can pick up Mijnlieff for iOS Universal here, or from Google Play or the Amazon Appstore.
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