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Reply: Le Havre:: Strategy:: Re: No boats strategy is the best.

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by grant5

tonksey wrote:

jrdercks wrote:

So I’ve tried out the Coke strategy and the Steel strategy, but I can’t beat the ‘no-boats’ strategy reliably. Am I the only person who thinks the most-efficient strategy is to forego board altogether? (Primarily: Abboriter and bake house, butnLso just paying in $ rather than food).


You're nuts ;)

Either you're playing something wrong or your opponents aren't very good.

Or both!

Reply: Le Havre:: Strategy:: Re: No boats strategy is the best.

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by waddball

I think it would be helpful to get more clarity about what you mean by the "no boats" strategy. I'm also confused by "forego board altogether". Board? Boats? Food?

Foregoing food (making up the difference in loans) can be a reasonable approach, but not when you're also not shipping (where are the huge late-game influxes of francs coming from?).

Please clarify. Then we'll all be happy to tear your updated, fleshed-out argument apart. :D

Reply: Le Havre:: Strategy:: Re: No boats strategy is the best.

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by grant5

waddball wrote:

Please clarify. Then we'll all be happy to tear your updated, fleshed-out argument apart. :D

This is the part I'm looking forward to. :devil:

Reply: Le Havre:: Strategy:: Re: No boats strategy is the best.

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by lostphd

grant5 wrote:

jrdercks wrote:

So I’ve tried out the Coke strategy and the Steel strategy, but I can’t beat the ‘no-boats’ strategy reliably. Am I the only person who thinks the most-efficient strategy is to forego board altogether? (Primarily: Abboriter and bake house, butnLso just paying in $ rather than food).

Ummm, what? What player count are you playing at?


Player count is the key answer here - I have gone "boat light" in 4-player games and made it work - sometimes. But "no boats" would be quite a feat. You would have to take extra actions at the Grocery Store or Abbatoir to get enough food, and make money through special buildings to make up for the francs everyone else would get for shipping.

Reply: Le Havre:: Strategy:: Re: No boats strategy is the best.

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by ddyer


Le Havre has so many paths, you have to be very aware of
what your opponents are planning. It's completely plausible
that your opponent's style makes some plans unworkable.

Reply: Le Havre:: Strategy:: Re: No boats strategy is the best.

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by Murr

grant5 wrote:

waddball wrote:

Please clarify. Then we'll all be happy to tear your updated, fleshed-out argument apart. :D

This is the part I'm looking forward to. :devil:
Subscribed.

Reply: Le Havre:: Strategy:: Re: No boats strategy is the best.

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by cjfoster

I'm not accusing anyone of trolling (really, I'm not), but it's interesting to me that this thread seems to have some of the signs:

1. Title featuring controversial idea
2. OP's post contains signs of familiarity with the game (reference to coke and steel strategies), and then a bonkers, kick-the-anthill-style question
3. Lots of thread activity, including questioning of the OP's seriousness
4. No follow-up from the OP

Reply: Le Havre:: Strategy:: Re: No boats strategy is the best.

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by VinegarBob

cjfoster wrote:

I'm not accusing anyone of trolling...


I am.

Reply: Le Havre:: Strategy:: Re: No boats strategy is the best.

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by grant5

cjfoster wrote:

I'm not accusing anyone of trolling (really, I'm not), but it's interesting to me that this thread seems to have some of the signs:

1. Title featuring controversial idea
2. OP's post contains signs of familiarity with the game (reference to coke and steel strategies), and then a bonkers, kick-the-anthill-style question
3. Lots of thread activity, including questioning of the OP's seriousness
4. No follow-up from the OP

OPs posting history is minimal, but no signs of trolling in the past. I think its a genuine post.

Reply: Le Havre:: Strategy:: Re: No boats strategy is the best.

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by Ranior

ddyer wrote:


Le Havre has so many paths, you have to be very aware of
what your opponents are planning. It's completely plausible
that your opponent's style makes some plans unworkable.


While it's true that your opponents moves can make some paths more or less attractive, there's almost no way that you can actually win the game with no boats, assuming you're playing even decent opponents. Certainly at higher levels of play there is no way.

Now if he means no boats early on...sure. In my games I think players often rush boats a bit too quickly rather than just accepting some early loans and that totally works. You can make do with only getting a few boats late (preferably 2+ steel boats) and then making huge points off of a couple shipping runs.

But if you truly have no boats throughout the entire game you are going to owe a lot in food throughout the game. All those actions or francs you are spending represent a lot of potentially lost points from other sources. On top of all that you can't ship for points, or be building luxury liners if you truly are going no boat, so your literal only path to points is buildings. (And francs, but how are you generating any decent quantity of money that you're not using to feed is beyond me). And even if you manage to build tons of buildings and get tons of entry frees, it just won't be competitive with other good players.

Reply: Le Havre:: Strategy:: Re: No boats strategy is the best.

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by gillum

grant5 wrote:

cjfoster wrote:

I'm not accusing anyone of trolling (really, I'm not), but it's interesting to me that this thread seems to have some of the signs:

1. Title featuring controversial idea
2. OP's post contains signs of familiarity with the game (reference to coke and steel strategies), and then a bonkers, kick-the-anthill-style question
3. Lots of thread activity, including questioning of the OP's seriousness
4. No follow-up from the OP

OPs posting history is minimal, but no signs of trolling in the past. I think its a genuine post.

Plus, the OP was only 3-1/2 hours ago as I write this.

Maybe he is at working or living his life or playing a game of Le Havre: The Inland Port.

New Image for Le Havre

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by ccbjmu

<div>Le Havre Chinese Edition Front</div>

New Video for Le Havre

New Image for Le Havre

Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Two player long game - Advantage: first player

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by bogdan_vre

Necroing this thread, as I only started playing recently - the iOS version versus AI.

It seems that whoever is first has a big advantage after the first turn. Depending on the available build orders the 1st player can use the Construction Firm to build 2 buildings and then purchase an additional one, leaving the 2nd player with a lot less to do on their turn.
Am I missing something?

Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Two player long game - Advantage: first player

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by davypi

bogdan_vre wrote:

It seems that whoever is first has a big advantage after the first turn. Depending on the available build orders the 1st player can use the Construction Firm to build 2 buildings and then purchase an additional one, leaving the 2nd player with a lot less to do on their turn.
Am I missing something?


First, you seem to be hammering on the same point that everyone else is and focusing on what the first player can do on the first round of the game without considering what happens in future rounds of the game. If you want focus your argument on round one, then yes, the start player does have a slight advantage. But to get to the overall idea that the start player has an advantage over the whole game, you have to prove that this advantage carries over from round to round. Nobody has done this. Sure, the start player gets first choice of buildings, but I've also been in games where the better buildings were buried two or three levels deep. By taking a less used building, the start player may be opening up a better move for the second player. You also get into interesting this like the fact that the player who builds a building is seldom the first player who can use it. For example, if the start player wants to buy the marketplace, one possible response is to buy the cost four building firm and then use the marketplace to take three goods. You can then just leave your worker there until you are done taking offers and you've blocked your opponent out of using the spot.

Second, there aren't that many buildings you can buy with your five starting francs. The clay mound and four franc building firm, sure, but the Black Market isn't used in a two player game. Unless I'm forgetting something, the idea that you can double build and buy on the second action of the game seems unlikely. Certainly the start player is more likely to have the necessary resources to double build before the second player, but if the second player sees they are going to do this, they can single build with fewer resources and possibly beat the first player to a key building.

Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Two player long game - Advantage: first player

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by cjfoster

Though I don't have a lot of data to back it up, I echo the sentiment that it may be more important to be in a good position to use the Marketplace than to own it. After p1 takes the franc offering and buys the Marketplace, p2 can (and probably should) buy the 4f Building Firm—the cheapest Craftsman building in the game. For their action, p2 can (and again, probably should) visit the Marketplace for 1f (as suggested above), taking wood, clay, and iron. From here, p2 is in an excellent position to build another Craftsman building. The candidates:
     Fishery 10f [03]: 1 wood, 1 clay
Bakehouse 8f [05]: 2 clay
Charcoal Kiln 8f [07]: 1 clay
Smokehouse 6f [08]: 2 wood, 1 clay
Abbatoir 8f [09]: 1 wood, 1 clay, 1 iron


Only the Bakehouse can be sniped by p1, and only if p1 can take the clay offering at 2 clay. The most likely outcome, however, is that p2 owns two Craftsman buildings before p1 owns their first.

I've also noticed that the p2 gets the first opportunity to buy a special building. The first special building is built by the town at the end of R3, and the p2 starts in R4. Visiting the Marketplace, of course, gives p2 information about (and some control over) what that special building will be.

Thread: Le Havre:: General:: Le Havre new version?

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by Chevy_cowboy

I'd been searching for this game for a few months, finally got a notice that it was back in stock at miniature market. Looks like a new version, copyright 2018 on the back.

I'll open it and check out contents later tonight.

Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Le Havre new version?

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by tumorous

Yes. This is the "Complete Edition," which includes Le Havre: Le Grand Hameau and all existing promo cards. (The previous standard English edition contained the former, but not the latter.)

Thread: Le Havre:: General:: Le Havre - 3D printed storage and fast setup solution

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by ProfessorFred

I made a little helper for faster setup and better storage.







The STL files will soon be available in files section.

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