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Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Why does everyone get the name wrong?

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by hawk-x-

cferejohn wrote:

I would suspect that many people in the US are more used to pronouncing Spanish words than French, particularly in California, Texas, and the Southwest (Las Vegas, Las Cruces, and really people often pronounce 'Los Angeles' as 'Las Angeles') , so it's pretty easy to slide from "Le" to "La". If the podcasters were from Louisiana or Alabama, I expect they'd be closer.


Which might explain why some might pronounce it as Le Havré.

What I don't get it Le Harv'.

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by marronigus

The more important question is why Uwe Rosenberg could not choose another French harbour to name its game!?

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by dthurston

marronigus wrote:

The more important question is why Uwe Rosenberg could not choose another French harbour to name its game!?
Heh. English-speakers would definitely have a lot less trouble if the game were called Nantes.

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by stevepop

hawk-x- wrote:

cferejohn wrote:

I would suspect that many people in the US are more used to pronouncing Spanish words than French, particularly in California, Texas, and the Southwest (Las Vegas, Las Cruces, and really people often pronounce 'Los Angeles' as 'Las Angeles') , so it's pretty easy to slide from "Le" to "La". If the podcasters were from Louisiana or Alabama, I expect they'd be closer.


Which might explain why some might pronounce it as Le Havré.

What I don't get it Le Harv'.

Those are Packers fans.

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by stevepop

So... have you ever heard a French person pronounce the name of this game? It'll blow your mind.

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by dmoser22

dthurston wrote:

marronigus wrote:

The more important question is why Uwe Rosenberg could not choose another French harbour to name its game!?
Heh. English-speakers would definitely have a lot less trouble if the game were called Nantes.

And some of us would have more fun if it were Brest.


Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Why does everyone get the name wrong?

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by enoon

dthurston wrote:

I often hear this game referred to as 'La Havre', with an 'a' instead of an 'e'. Of course the name is fairly hard for English speakers to pronounce
No, it isn't. We can also properly pronounce Notre Dame, for example.

Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Why does everyone get the name wrong?

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by dthurston

stevepop wrote:

So... have you ever heard a French person pronounce the name of this game? It'll blow your mind.
davypi posted a link to French people pronouncing the name above. Sounded like about what I expected. The two pronunciations were different, interestingly. (One of them might be written as "L'Havre", with an "h muet".)

What I typically hear from native English-speakers has a much more pronounced vowel in the article, with a glottal stop: "La'avre".

Reply: Le Havre:: General:: Re: Why does everyone get the name wrong?

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by Zark

There is an actual place in France called Le Havre which the Newhaven Ferry runs to so I have always pronounced it the way I pronounce the town, but going back to basics we have a ferry from the new port to the port

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by russ

Zark wrote:

There is an actual place in France called Le Havre

Is the game not named after this city in France?

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by marronigus

russ wrote:

Zark wrote:

There is an actual place in France called Le Havre

Is the game not named after this city in France?


I am pretty sure it is.

Thread: Le Havre:: General:: Le Havre special building banlist

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by Simonjohn

I played a solo game of Le Havre and by bad luck drew two cards from the Essen 08 expansion that do not work that well in solo as they are interactive (Picket Line & Tobacco Factory). When I checked on their use here I saw that they were not recommended in solo. I wanted to stop this happening again because there are so few special buildings in each game, and looked to see if I could find a list, but couldn't find anything. In the end I just went through Ponton's list on the link above, searching for words such as "solo" or "remove" and came up with the list below. It would be interesting to know if there is a summary that I missed or any other buildings to consider.

This is all taken from Ponton's list in the link above where there is detailed discussion of each building. Only the first two buildings are from the base game and all the others are from the Essen 08 expansion.

Remove from Solo Game, either because the buildings are intended to be interactive, or because they are overpowered in Solo mode:
014 Harbour Watch; 035 Zoo; 041 Pirates' Lair; 043 Dive Bar; 044 Picket Line; 045 Tobacco Factory; 046 Cattle Drive.

Remove generally (any player count) if you find buildings that encourage aggressive tactics annoying:
041 Pirates' Lair; 043 Dive Bar; 046 Cattle Drive.

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by hanibalicious

russ wrote:

adamredwoods wrote:

Influenced by alliteration (l-Ah hAh-vre)?

My thought as well! (But I think that would be assonance more than alliteration.)


I mean, it might be, but then I don't know what parts of French get accents. I just bounce it off the back of my tongue, shoot it all through the palate and up my nose and it sounds ok*.

*I am aware that I sound like an Asterix character, specifically Cacofonix (Assurancetourix).

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by sneakypete21

Nothing is worse than the idiots who spell it Le Harve. I even got "corrected" by someone about it once.

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by ThunderingGiraffe

davypi wrote:

Well, if you want to get down to nit picky phonetics, I usually pronounce it "L'Hav", so I am using neither the "La" or "Le" in the prononciation. I suspect the problem is that when you contract Le with an H that it creates something that sounds closer to La than Le, but it really somewhere in the middle of the two. Of course, I got a barely passable C when I took French at university, so I will easily cave in if someone wants to say I'm wrong here.


Havre is part of the list of words that starts with a "h aspiré" which means that you have to pronounce the "Le". So saying L'havre is wrong. How do distinguish between a "h muet" and a "h aspiré" ? Basically you need to know how the plural is pronounced. For example: Les horloges is pronounced "Les Zhorloge" (with the z sound) but "Les havres" or "Les héros" are both pronounced without the "z" sound. If you don't know the plural prononciation then you have to check some list.

Thread: Le Havre:: General:: First play through experience

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by ArcanumTL

Hi everyone,

I had my first 2p game of Le Havre so it was more focused on mechanics and rules rather than strategy. I wanted to check with others to see if I didn't miss anything.

About 1/2 to 2/3 through the game, I noticed that certain resources were being stacked quite high e.g. fish and wood as it didn't seem quite efficient to use them. Also each of us started to have fairly large amounts of stuff e.g. 7-8 clay, 8 bread and etc. Does this feel "normal"?

This is coming from an Agricola player where I feel resources to be much tougher to come by.

Overall - we loved the game!

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by oivind22

I haven't played it enough to say exactly how high the stacks will typically be, but I do think Le Havre is quite different from Agricola in this regard. It seems to me that in Le Havre you always have good choices, even if the opponent did what you wanted the most. IIRC, Tom Vasel likes Le Havre better than Agricola, for this exact reason. Newer Uwe Rosenberg games are even more like this. Fields of Arle and A Feast for Odin feels particularly open. Each time I play, I look back and realize that there are parts of the games I did not explore at all (although I might explore those things the next time I play).

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by davypi

2/3rds of the way through the game seems a bit early, but it is common to see this happen. One of the best comments I have ever seen in relation to Agricola vs Le Havre is that Agricola is a game of scarcity while Le Havre is a game of excesses. Don't expect resource management to work the same between the two games.
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